That's funny. Don't take my word for it, though. There are numerous examples that others would probably bo only too happy to share... albeit, briefly.

Forums are not where issues get sorted out.

Any concern should be raised through a support ticket.

quite a few years ago these forums were nothing but fun.

Nullsec alliances used to go to war in nullsec and on GD.

The epic thread posts were epic.

1. Remember when mintchiplol was made a Dev.
2. Remember the Mittans thread when he was banned for a silly drunken statement.
3. I remember when someone posted pics of CCP punky as a Zombie and everyone laughed along including her.
4. When the character portraits changed and a epic gay character thread rolled through GD
5. Trolling was funny and corps went to war over it
6. No one really insulted the Devs and they rolled with it

None of this would happen today

You won't get punished. Just ignored and silenced, read: Your thread will get locked or even deleted. If the ISDs can't find a reason to do so in your OP, they will certainly find one in the responses. Case in point:



That is true. However, a support ticket is not suited for an open discussion between players and developers. CCP has become really careful in regards to openly discussing things here on the forums, probably to avoid quotable statements that they might regret later. But for some reason, that doesn't keep them from having these discussions elsewhere (read: on reddit). Probably because they still want to stay close to their player base, and they can always claim that reddit is not "official".

And if somebody gets offended by someone on reddit, it's not CCPs problem to deal with. How very convenient.

It just sucks for me, because I don't like or understand reddit with its funky up- and downvotes. Why can they not just put posts in order like a sane person would?

I understand its 2017 and they want to make use of the wonders of modern social media and s\\t. But I kind of do not want to register and get used to a 3rd party service to get involved with the community of that game I'm playing, especially if there is a perfectly fine platform right here.

Refreshing to see somebody not bitching about the game

Reddit is the worst cesspool of cancer and useless comments.

Thats not even considering the partisan up/down voting, as well as willful moderation bias.

Maybe its because Im a Finn from a different cultural background renowned for speaking only when you actually have something meaningful to say, with an abject contempt for bullcrap and empty nothings.

The forum rules here largely only require being ontopic, relevant, not to insult/disrespect others offhandedly for no purpose, and not to waste everyones time with crap. Not only are those not much to ask, they keep the board clear of trash and cancer, and is conducive to civil discourse as it is supposed to be.

Crap-posters spreading their sewage across the internet cos they think they are funny, witty, or have an opinion on everything, making pointless noise can all burn for all I care. Good riddance

We aren't really talking about why anyone personally likes or dislikes something. We're talking about why one (which is external) seems to be the more alive, vibrant and popular option (not just for the players but many times for the DEVs themselves) compared to the other (this place, owned by the game company itself).

Reddit has a EVE fitting section that has no drama at all, I've gotten better fitting ideas there than I have in the Ships and Modules section of these forums. News about changes/devblogs etc forEVE pops up in ONE PLACE on Reddit, on these forums I have to hunt for them. And so on.

We can react in partisan "but Im a EVE Forum poster!" fashion or we can understand why their seems to have been a shift in preference. But we can't do both lol.

The difference is between useful content, and useless content.

Rules are there to encourage the former, and remove the latter.

Reddit boards are partisan, systemically, by Up/down voting and attacking content with crap.
Unrepresentative/noncommitted moderators exhibit bias frequently.

Here, on this board, moderators are required to remain non-partisan.
Rules here enforce constructive discussion.

Hey Guys

Thanks for the comments, it's nice to know there's still a sizeable amount of people who care about the health of the forums, for sure.

We're actually in the middle of testing an entirely new forum system with the assistance of our Volunteer team, and we'll more than likely be looking to roll it out somewhere toward the summer

The rollout of these forums is going to include a complete rewrite of the forum rules (relaxing quite a few of them), re-organizing our forum categories and the introduction of a new mandate for ISD in terms of how moderation is carried out, as well as a few other things that the community team will be blogging about in the not too distant future (more than likely soon after Fanfest, which happens in April).

The idea will be to promote more open and direct (but civil) discussion, and give the community a more relaxed place to talk about spaceships

We'll have more information in the near future <3

F*** it Dude. Let's go bowling.

What you don't understand is that wherever you go you will get the same reception, ISD'd to oblivion here or Downvoted to the same oblivion at Reddit, because your communication skills are bad and you are off-putting.

You have the freedom to be reviled and cast out. It's not that your opinions are bad. They are, but it's not just that. It's that your bad opinions are badly presented, badly communicated, badly defended, and condescending as all get out. The only reason that's "[our] problem, not [yours]" is because it's technically not breaking any rules. If the best thing you can say about your freedom of speech is "I technically can't be imprisoned for what I'm saying" then your arguments are automatically wrong. You can say what you want (within the rules laid out) but that doesn't mean you deserve to be heard. And that's where sites like reddit have some power to improve content by making dumb people turn invisible. It's not perfect, and I'm not a reddit fan at all, but people will go to where the best content is, and that's obviously not here. Not any more.

Salvos, there is nothing wrong with posting like tiresome 13 year old, (when you are 13) but it is posters like you which lead to these forums being so fiercely censored.

For the good of the forums, just stop.

well, at least you go in with positive mindset, so what can go wrong? No self-fullfilling prophecies here.... I will prove they will downvote me...

Reddit is a malodorous skunk hole, where the infighting for fame is extraordinarily vicious, because the prizes are so small.

If I was rethinking this forum, I'd be thinking about what people would pay for, and try to structure it that way, so that the forums can be a self-sustaining creation.

With that overall philosophy I'd look at three things, newsworthiness, fun and visual appeal.

There always tends to be one forum that people pile into.

On these forums it's probably General Discussion.

Why is that?

I call that feature, newsworthiness. It's up to date information across a spectrum of interests. A function of information and time.

So that would be important to have. A big crazy tavern of all sorts of conversation.

Next would be fun. I'd reward good posting, which I break into two groups; fun and/or informative.

Wow! Nice post, here have a fancy EVE jacket, in game or real. Or some game time, or a pile of ISK.

Then the visual stuff, we are all about graphics. Which makes sense, light is a speedy carrier of information, so we tend to rely on our eyes.

How can players create visual content for the EVE forums?

Currently linking to other places gets you a popup message warning you of the dangers of the internet and reminding you to stay in the safe arms of EVE.

So it makes it difficult to organise a ship design contest, or even make a funny gif of being podded.

That's the areas I'd look at.

And I'd take it easy on the heavy breathed marketer with the bad tie, knocking on my spaceship window.

No one really cares for likes, people have lived without them for so long. But people care for dislikes. Especially if you can bury someones post under them. And while the likes is a fun part, unlike is in a no-fun zone. Truth, if it hurts with raw logic, unpopular, but sound propositions, all may not be so popular under those conditions.

By only putting it on sections that don't matter. So, no F&I, no dev threads, no feedback threads. Maybe not even WTB/WTS market threads. All those function fine as is. But the community sections, absolutely.

I like having a clear, concise area where they can post updates without comments so you don't have to read through the drivel. Yes, the dev replies on the EVE Reddit thread are certainly valid - but the majority of comments are just fluff.

The system I've seen that seems appealing (I don't use a variety of forums often enough to know how it actually plays out on behalf of the community) is the strong negative vote posts get replaced a "this post falls below the threshold, click here to expand post, click here to change settings." It's doesn't straight up vanish a post, but after reading the first by a shiptoaster you can usually figure out to not bother reading the rest. And that would be the entire point of using an up/down vote system to improve content quality.

I'm not too interested in the sort order being changed. I think active threads keep the freshest content forward, where most voted threads can get stale. Maybe put some additional level of filters as well... like when Salvos (or once upon a time, Tom Gerard) inevitably gets all his posts hidden in every thread he posts in, maybe stop using his posts to bump a thread to the top.

Malcanis

Followed your post till the last paragraph. Then you lost me. ISD's can not ban or mute someone on the forums. We can how ever submit to CCP (the community team) what the player did/posted. At that point CCP makes the call on a ban or mute. Now if it's bad enough (such as someone spamming porn malware etc) we can request an emergency mute from the GM team. But we better have a damn good reason to go that route because Internal Affairs will be asking. So you accusation that the ISD banned you is false on its face, your issue there is with CCP.